A̱lyiat:A̱bapi̱lanet
"Son" translates to "dwarf".[jhyuk a̱tyin ka]
We could reserve the term "a̱bapi̱lanet" for "minor planet", @Kwamikagami. The Tyap term "son" directly translates to "dwarf". If "major planet" should be "a̱gba̱ndang pi̱lanet", then, "minor planet" would be "a̱bapi̱lanet" or "a̱da̱dei pi̱lanet". It is open to more deliberations though, even if not now but in years to come. Kambai Akau (a̱lyiat) 20:50, 16 Zwat A̱ni̱nai 2023 (WAT)
- Kambai Akau "Dwarf" is not necessarily the best word for translation. In Japanese, they're "almost planets". There is some politics involved: the name "dwarf planet" was proposed as a kind of planet; one committee of the International Astronomical Union (IAU) accepted it, but a second committee declared that they are not planets. So you have the odd situation where "dwarf planets" are not planets. (According to some astronomers; other astronomers continue to accept them as planets.) If we calque 'dwarf planet' directly into Tyap, then in Tyap also a son pi̱lanet is not a pi̱lanet. Because of this, some other languages such as Japanese have avoided using their word for 'dwarf', and have come up with a different phrasing.
- "Minor planets" are no longer considered to be planets either, and the term has been abandoned by the IAU. (They are now called "small Solar System bodies".) I was thinking that a̱bapi̱lanet would be appropriate for something (a 'dwarf planet') that may or may not be a planet (depending on who you listen to), but that is smaller than a regular planet. I'm not sure it's a good word for something (a 'minor planet') that is definitely not a planet. Kwamikagami (a̱lyiat) 23:00, 16 Zwat A̱ni̱nai 2023 (WAT)
- Oh, wow. I haven't really studied much about planets before now and the updates about them. Maybe, we could go the way of the Japanese rendition. But In Tyap, we could use A̱bubuk pi̱lanet or "False/hypocritical planet" instead of "almost planet", which has no translation that I know of that sounds appealing to the hearing. What do you think of A̱bubuk pi̱lanet? because A̱bapi̱lanet still tends towards recognizing it as an actual planet but smaller in size or importance. Or, do you suggest we use A̱bapi̱lanet for "Dwarf planet" and A̱bubuk pi̱lanet for "Minor planet"? since the "Minor planet" is definitely not a planet. Kambai Akau (a̱lyiat) 18:41, 17 Zwat A̱ni̱nai 2023 (WAT)
- Yes, I think the latter might be more appropriate.
- All planetary scientists/geologists that I know consider dwarf planets to be planets. Geologically they are like the major planets: they have glaciers and (cryo)volcanoes etc. But they're a minority among astronomers. System dynamicists, e.g. astronomers who try to reconstruct the history of the Solar System, generally accept the IAU definition that dwarf planets are not planets. That's because in the history of the interactions of the planets (e.g. a resonance between Jupiter and Saturn affecting the growth of planet Earth), the dwarfs are of little importance.
- So it would be nice to have a Tyap word for dwarf planet that didn't take sides, and could be read ambiguously as either 'planet' or 'not a planet'. Kwamikagami (a̱lyiat) 23:01, 17 Zwat A̱ni̱nai 2023 (WAT)
- Finding such a word could be a herculean task. Let's just stay with a̱bapi̱lanet for "dwarf planet". Hopefully, much later, another word might be discovered for it. Just maybe. Sorry for late replies. I was overtaken by preparation for my Wikimania 2023 presentation with Amir, today. Kambai Akau (a̱lyiat) 19:06, 19 Zwat A̱ni̱nai 2023 (WAT)
- Oh, wow. I haven't really studied much about planets before now and the updates about them. Maybe, we could go the way of the Japanese rendition. But In Tyap, we could use A̱bubuk pi̱lanet or "False/hypocritical planet" instead of "almost planet", which has no translation that I know of that sounds appealing to the hearing. What do you think of A̱bubuk pi̱lanet? because A̱bapi̱lanet still tends towards recognizing it as an actual planet but smaller in size or importance. Or, do you suggest we use A̱bapi̱lanet for "Dwarf planet" and A̱bubuk pi̱lanet for "Minor planet"? since the "Minor planet" is definitely not a planet. Kambai Akau (a̱lyiat) 18:41, 17 Zwat A̱ni̱nai 2023 (WAT)